Topic: Best bet for Alastors?

What do you think for Alastors - single clan with the Just and IC for that clan?  Or spread it out?  I was contemplating a G1-2 Alastors CEL deck with Anneke, Don Cruez, Alexandra, Gwendolyn, Harrod (!), and Stanislava.   Or I could go G2-3 and drop Anneke and Don, and add Jaroslav and Guil.  What I like about the g12 deck is that you can sprinkle in dominate.  What I like about the g23 is you have for/FOR, and can sprinkle in prevent and Forced March.

What do you think?

Re: Best bet for Alastors?

You only need one guy who can call the vote. My favorite guys for alastor deck are Jaroslav Pascek and Count Germaine (basic). Jaroslav calling the votes and Germaine doing the rushing. It also helps that they both have about exact same discpline spread.

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The reason for the ICs was for 3 reasons: a) to have +2 bleed once your prey's vamps were gone b) to help get the Alastor vote passed c) to protect you from other votes.

But I can see that paying the extra pool is probably not worth it.

Re: Best bet for Alastors?

I think it depends if you plan to put a couple of other votes/title requiring cards in to take advantage of your big voters, such as Judgement:Camarilla Segregation, Reins of Power, Political Strangelehold, Ancient Influence

If you are planning to have a justicar in the mix, I think anathema combines beautifully with alastor, as does parity shift - you can always equip a weapon at full cost to get you in range.

If you want to keep it combat focused without distracting from that, what Klaital said smile In this case make sure to make use of jaroslav's special, either through agg damage melee weapons or WWS/Stake with Concealed weapon)

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I honestly like the Aneke angle, being able to bock him/her is great, plus you can throw in the CEL  stealth card that doubles for Maneuvers.  Just keep psyching into combat when you block.  I would also run some majesty's in case they can agg from range.

Jimmy

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When committing to a high cap vampire you have to make the most of it. Fortitude seems essential for that, both in allowing the minion to survive combat and by allowing multi-action. Just because you have an assault rifle doesn't mean you won't come out on the wrong side of a combat once in a while, so a few Skin of Steel would seem wise. Freak Drive (and to a lesser extent, Forced March) are favorite cards of mine. If I spend 8+ pool one one minion, I want it to be able to do at least as much as the two 4-caps I could have bought instead.

Anneke Alastor gets around the second limitation by reacting (a lot!) but can still be vulnerable if her red cards get trumped. the first Gangrel that wants to fight her will draw her Beast and feed her some Agg. Jaroslav can, at least potentially, shrug it off.

It's a tough one. I've been monkeying with this archtype for a couple of years and still haven't been able to find one I like.

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I can't help but think that it mostly depends on what you want the deck to be doing - Alastor+Assault Rifle does not a deck make. smile

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Crushing my enemies, driving them before me, and hearing the lamentation of their women!!!
But seriously.  Alastor AR is a good combo, and I guess I would like to move my prey's vamps to torpor, and then bleed them out.  So either having vamps with +bleed, or weenies, whether influenced or bred.  Since ICs can call Alastor, and have +bleed, why not use them?  Other idea is for/cel vamps that can prevent and multi-strike with AR.

Which do you think would work better?  I think that was my original question...

Re: Best bet for Alastors?

I use them with gangrel for all those reasons, stanislava is the perfect candidate for alastor. Not only fortitude but protean, so can stealth the alastors through and has a number of means to survive tough combats. Note Closed Session is incredibly useful in ensuring the votes go through

If your other crypt members are prince/justicar (katrina, angus, ingrid), Judgment: Camarilla Segregation, Anathema and Parity Shift give your deck some real bite, and abactor/hospitality will also help with compensating for the high cost vampires

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shorb wrote:

Which do you think would work better?  I think that was my original question...

If you're talking about using Alastor to rush, you need to be able to do so multiple times per turn to have any chance at all of avoiding sadness. That means Fortitude, which narrows your options nicely.

Since you're rushing, you also need to be able to play Psyche. So that means Celerity.

Really, at this point, with your options down to Inner Circle members and justicars with Celerity and Fortitude, crypt construction is just a matter of taste.

Re: Best bet for Alastors?

gotcha.

That was a good answer to my question.

Is there any reason to play Alastor for something else?  Maybe Helicopters instead?

Re: Best bet for Alastors?

shorb wrote:

That was a good answer to my question.

Cool. I was worried that I was going to come off sounding flip, which really wasn't my intent.

shorb wrote:

Is there any reason to play Alastor for something else?  Maybe Helicopters instead?

Yeah, Helicopter is a good bet, since it only costs you one pool and can be used right away - since Alastor "places" it rather than equipping it, it comes into play untapped.

I've also seen people use Alastor to grab an Ankara Citadel, which can be Alastor'd up by anyone since, again, Alastor places the equipment rather than actually equipping it, so you don't need to meet the requirement on the equipment you're grabbing.

I haven't seen anyone use it for anything else, but if there's ever some piece of clan-specific equipment that you want a justicar or IC to have, Alastor can save you from having to dust off your copies of Clan Impersonation.